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Kevin is a disciple of the Christian faith through and through. Jackson, not so much--he is plagued by doubt. Listen in as the two discuss--and sometimes debate--the existence of God, the problem of evil, the meaning of Christ’s resurrection, and a host of other matters pertaining to Christianity. Follow us on Medium as well if you're interested in keeping up with the dialogue in written form: https://medium.com/a-disciple-and-a-doubter.

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